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User:Dj ryan

2014-03-12T19:24:53Z

Dj ryan:

dj_ryan on irc

I work on open source databases.

Meeting Notes 2014 03 11

2014-03-12T19:24:03Z

Dj ryan:

You should read the [[meeting instructions]] forthwith!<br>

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 304th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: [[dj_ryan]]; Moderator: [[setient]].

= Short announcements and events =
* Norton Imperial Labs - competing hackerspace
* Next week is Game Developer Conference (GDC)
* Cleanup this Sunday at 12 noon

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
* Hephestus: week 4+, sponsors: Al, Setient, Will Sargent (w/o signature)
* Kate K: Week 4+, sponsors: Al
* QBit: Week 4, Sponsors: None
* Howard: Week 4, Sponsors: Madeline, Setient. (Present at meeting)

= Financial Report =

* Incoming check of $10,000 to noisetor

= Consensus items =

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

* Lee Sonko banning procedural changes
** The item was on the docket for 3 weeks/meetings, a member attended on the first 2 meetings intending to block, but wasnt able to attend the 3rd meeting, the item was consensus upon on the 3rd meeting.
** Setient moving to Discussion list

* Suspend Robin's Membership
** (no notes for the discussion as per request)
** No blockers, Setient stands aside
** Item passes

* RAYC ban for 6 months/permanent
** Tom feels strongly we should ban rayc, and not use a 6 month suspension
** "Sleeping on top of an elevator - what the hell was he thinking?"
** Tom relays that other council members feel strongly, mildly strongly that he should be banned.
** Constantine: "A lot of ambivalence - why not just 6 months, permanent ban hard to reverse? You guys clearly like." Tom: hazarderous
** Rayc: "I've been affiliated with nb for 4 years. I've been a huge contributor, I made a mistake. If you want to ban me, there is a good reason to, my action doesn't merit the punishment."
** Tom: "Rayc just demonstrated he doesnt think it's serious"
** Rayc: "He is trolling me right now, from what I thought at the time I was doing it."
** Monad: "This one event will always be part of your history."
** XX: "Has anyone else fucked up bad? There are bigger issues than napping on the elevator?"
** jayc: "This was a questionable decision at the time you made it, would you make the same decision again? (rayc: I would not make the same decision) What atonments could/would you make?"
** V: "I did not know you were on the elevator, trash night was a hardship without the elevator. On a positive note, rayc was one of the first to organize a cleanup of the electronics section.
** Setient: Will anyone consider a block? Setient would block a perma-ban. No blockers on a 6 month ban, jayc stands aside on 6 month ban
** Constantine: "People are not static, how you treat this person will affect him"
** jayc: "police told me this is a commercial/residential mixed use space"
** "It's always been unexcellent to sleep in noisebridge, sleeping on the elevator is very not excellent"
** jayc: "I would like to see it as 6 months from the incident." (RAYC: I think that's fair)
** Item passes. Rayc spends some time to gather his items. He did not leave for 15-20 minutes.

* Publish council member list in git repo
** Kevin: "Why is publishing council membership a necessary?"
** Tom: "the only person who knows is a member is me. This is ridiculous."
** Tom: "Discussion list is not a reasonable way to reach people."
** Jayc: "..."
** Tom: "There will be a date after which, the list on github is the list of all council members, and is correct, and has a reasonable contact method."
** Tom: "Jacob is not a member in good standing, and has no intent on coming to noisebridge ever again."
** jayc: "Would it prevent him from participating again?"
** Discussion tabled.

* Gregory asked to leave discussion
** Tom: He should come back now
** V: I spoke with josh before he left nyc, he didnt ask Gregory to leave
** Tom: I think we all agree he can come back (a few ayes)

* Banning Josh
** Setient: He has alledgedly been living in the space
** Tom: he has admitted to me he has chose on multiple times to "power nap" for 3-5 hours in the middle of the night, he did not have a viable alternative to go to
** XX: somehow he got caught up in drama, and considering he is in nyc and won't come back for a while. if he comes back, firmly tell him not to sleep at noisebridge.
** jayc: josh is not welcome at noisebridge until he attended a tuesday meeting.
** setient: He did attend a few meetings.
** XX: Lets not block, if he returns, lets handle it then. I would do a pull request.
** Kevin: I told him not to sleep here, he said "i will do what I want, what I am doing is not an issue."
** Constantine: why is sleeping here an issue?
** Monad: it isnt a legal issue anymore
** Constantine: what aspect is the very rigid stance against sleeping?
** jayc: historical reference - it's not about sleeping, its about living here, people who have rights and things.
** Constantine: I want to understand
** Tom: (aside) There is more than one rule
** kevin: there is a lot of history and complexity here, we need to listen to other people
** kevin: just because it rhymes doesnt mean it's true. i would have preferred a deeper dialog.
** tom: The final interlude (the rhyming) was the end of our discussion. I had a deeper dialog with him.
** tom: he did not object to my characterization of his use of the space as providing the daily necessities of survival. He spent 140 hours a week, there is 168 hours week (nb: 20 hours/day on avg). 'noisebridge is your hackerspace not your hostel.'
** Howard: he was doing sleep hacking? Tom: sleep hacking is often used as an excuse.
** Kevin: Josh did come to neural hacking wednesdays, was interested in sleep hacking, etc.
** Ryan: To Tom: was josh sleeping here and using it as living space? Tom: yes
** James: he's my friend, asked him was he sleeping here? And he ended up saying yes I was sleeping here. There isnt a rule? Can you stop sleeping here?
** V: it's not true that josh doesnt have anywhere to go, i have put josh up at my apartment, he wants to help sid fixing the computers. He is a benefit of to his place. It would be a mistake to ban someone like that from noisebridge."
** dan: to address the salient point that noisebridge is a hackerspace not a hostel. If he interferes with others ability to hack here. As a procedural note and suggestion, I'm really troubled that Josh isn't here. At the meetings he was present, it wasnt clear we were going to discuss. Table this until we need to talk about it.
** Tom: I think josh is incorrigible. Sleep hacking - we arent convinced this isnt what is going on? The reason he was at 140 hours a week because he used noisebridge for the necessary activities of daily living that we would use our homes for. I think josh has been substantially informed this week that this is the decision week. We have a strong agreement on the norms of this type of behavior, and this is a very clear situation, and refuses to change despite multiple people asking him to change. Everything is procedurally correct and legit.
** Constantine: trying to understand, banning people is philosophically harsh.
** Monad: this is not a crash pad
** Constantine: Kicking out a problem isnt the same as solving it. (multiple interruptions) Homeless people have historically not been kicked out, kicking them out isnt helping them.
** Sid: This is something josh and I agree on, he's going to be gone for at least a year/6 months, he's already gone he's in NYC.
** XX: Josh felt he was harassed, and more
** constantine: "eviction does not equal solution"
** Kevin: Bad precedent to ban someone in another state.
** Tom: Yes it was discussed, someone communicated with him about the space.
** Sid: it sounds like a grudge match honestly, seems kind of petty and cowardly to attack someone who is not in the space.
** Kevin: I will stand aside, it sets a bad precedent.
** 3 standasides for the consensus
** (insert discussion about what consensus is)
** Kevin: No ban should be made on the fact that it can be undone later.
** V: Josh has a forward and blunt way of speaking, and we tried to ban each other. He saved a man's life, he was vomiting (at noisebridge), Josh called an ambulance to SF general.
** Kevin: Whats the big deal about banning 1 of 7 billion people? What kind of community do we want to grow?
** Kevin: Response to 'why not block' - because consensus is good to discuss, and i would only block if it prevented me from wanting to returning to noisebridge. I dont feel he is incorrigible and is very approachable.
** Sid: everyone i teach hardware to needs a nap. How many of you have learned hardware from me? This space keeps moving because of changes like rayc and josh. Everyone I teach you block.
** Constantine: when do you kick someone out? Is it ever a good idea to kick someone out? He's out of the state for a year, why even do it? (grey area) It looks like it, everyone's engaged
** XX: Sid said he's out of the state in a year, why not have a meeting with him present, and then discuss it then (presumably in the far future?)
** Tom: How do you think josh attending a meeting will change the situation?
** Alternate proposal: Complete the mediate process before he returns to the space (Tom: what process? with who?)
** Constantine: A good alternative resolution would be resolve he comes to a tuesday meeting. (side: he isn't coming back for a year!) Discuss later when he returns!
** Kevin: He should bring the argument about sleeping in the space.
** Tom: Enough people have discussed this, and appears unrepentant. So far he seems unrepentant.
** kevin: i would prefer not to ban him, and to mediate, and to take process of that mediation.
** Tom: I am happy to say that if josh comes back and have a discussion about his use of noisebridge as a living space, and I find myself convinced he does not will continue to use. I believe past behavior is predictive of future behavor.
** XX: Direct response: Your belief does not allow for change of people (Tom: that is correct)
** XX2: I hear a lot about living space, what is living space at noisebridge? I know people who have spent 72 hours straight awake here doing good things, leaving for 6-8 hours.
** Setient: Will anyone block?
** Kevin: I find it difficult to be put on the spot on a weekly basis.
** Setient: We need to put more vigilance into the space to prevent Josh's type of behavior. Puts the onus on people not attending and supervising at all time.
** Tom: The space should not be open at 4am. We should close the space if we cant supervise it.
** XX3: Josh prevented and ended the drug use and ended up banning some people.
** Tom: People should learn more about consensus, the reason why meetings take a long time is people misunderstanding consensus.
** James: I will block
** Consensus: Blockers: James

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion Notes =

* Extensive Discussion with Howard about membership.
** Questions included when would block items, what is hacking, what do you think about the kitchen, bike trailer, would you allow for the free expression of art, graffiti vs art, what is consensus, money, what is the anti-harassment policy about, more harassment questions.
** Consensus results: Blocked by Tom

= Attendance =
* List of names and short summary. For bonus points, link wiki user pages.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

Meeting Notes 2014 03 11

2014-03-12T19:23:43Z

Dj ryan:

You should read the [[meeting instructions]] forthwith!<br>
Don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 304th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: [[dj_ryan]]; Moderator: [[setient]].
* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

= Short announcements and events =
* Norton Imperial Labs - competing hackerspace
* Next week is Game Developer Conference (GDC)
* Cleanup this Sunday at 12 noon

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
* Hephestus: week 4+, sponsors: Al, Setient, Will Sargent (w/o signature)
* Kate K: Week 4+, sponsors: Al
* QBit: Week 4, Sponsors: None
* Howard: Week 4, Sponsors: Madeline, Setient. (Present at meeting)

= Financial Report =

* Incoming check of $10,000 to noisetor

= Consensus items =

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

* Lee Sonko banning procedural changes
** The item was on the docket for 3 weeks/meetings, a member attended on the first 2 meetings intending to block, but wasnt able to attend the 3rd meeting, the item was consensus upon on the 3rd meeting.
** Setient moving to Discussion list

* Suspend Robin's Membership
** (no notes for the discussion as per request)
** No blockers, Setient stands aside
** Item passes

* RAYC ban for 6 months/permanent
** Tom feels strongly we should ban rayc, and not use a 6 month suspension
** "Sleeping on top of an elevator - what the hell was he thinking?"
** Tom relays that other council members feel strongly, mildly strongly that he should be banned.
** Constantine: "A lot of ambivalence - why not just 6 months, permanent ban hard to reverse? You guys clearly like." Tom: hazarderous
** Rayc: "I've been affiliated with nb for 4 years. I've been a huge contributor, I made a mistake. If you want to ban me, there is a good reason to, my action doesn't merit the punishment."
** Tom: "Rayc just demonstrated he doesnt think it's serious"
** Rayc: "He is trolling me right now, from what I thought at the time I was doing it."
** Monad: "This one event will always be part of your history."
** XX: "Has anyone else fucked up bad? There are bigger issues than napping on the elevator?"
** jayc: "This was a questionable decision at the time you made it, would you make the same decision again? (rayc: I would not make the same decision) What atonments could/would you make?"
** V: "I did not know you were on the elevator, trash night was a hardship without the elevator. On a positive note, rayc was one of the first to organize a cleanup of the electronics section.
** Setient: Will anyone consider a block? Setient would block a perma-ban. No blockers on a 6 month ban, jayc stands aside on 6 month ban
** Constantine: "People are not static, how you treat this person will affect him"
** jayc: "police told me this is a commercial/residential mixed use space"
** "It's always been unexcellent to sleep in noisebridge, sleeping on the elevator is very not excellent"
** jayc: "I would like to see it as 6 months from the incident." (RAYC: I think that's fair)
** Item passes. Rayc spends some time to gather his items. He did not leave for 15-20 minutes.

* Publish council member list in git repo
** Kevin: "Why is publishing council membership a necessary?"
** Tom: "the only person who knows is a member is me. This is ridiculous."
** Tom: "Discussion list is not a reasonable way to reach people."
** Jayc: "..."
** Tom: "There will be a date after which, the list on github is the list of all council members, and is correct, and has a reasonable contact method."
** Tom: "Jacob is not a member in good standing, and has no intent on coming to noisebridge ever again."
** jayc: "Would it prevent him from participating again?"
** Discussion tabled.

* Gregory asked to leave discussion
** Tom: He should come back now
** V: I spoke with josh before he left nyc, he didnt ask Gregory to leave
** Tom: I think we all agree he can come back (a few ayes)

* Banning Josh
** Setient: He has alledgedly been living in the space
** Tom: he has admitted to me he has chose on multiple times to "power nap" for 3-5 hours in the middle of the night, he did not have a viable alternative to go to
** XX: somehow he got caught up in drama, and considering he is in nyc and won't come back for a while. if he comes back, firmly tell him not to sleep at noisebridge.
** jayc: josh is not welcome at noisebridge until he attended a tuesday meeting.
** setient: He did attend a few meetings.
** XX: Lets not block, if he returns, lets handle it then. I would do a pull request.
** Kevin: I told him not to sleep here, he said "i will do what I want, what I am doing is not an issue."
** Constantine: why is sleeping here an issue?
** Monad: it isnt a legal issue anymore
** Constantine: what aspect is the very rigid stance against sleeping?
** jayc: historical reference - it's not about sleeping, its about living here, people who have rights and things.
** Constantine: I want to understand
** Tom: (aside) There is more than one rule
** kevin: there is a lot of history and complexity here, we need to listen to other people
** kevin: just because it rhymes doesnt mean it's true. i would have preferred a deeper dialog.
** tom: The final interlude (the rhyming) was the end of our discussion. I had a deeper dialog with him.
** tom: he did not object to my characterization of his use of the space as providing the daily necessities of survival. He spent 140 hours a week, there is 168 hours week (nb: 20 hours/day on avg). 'noisebridge is your hackerspace not your hostel.'
** Howard: he was doing sleep hacking? Tom: sleep hacking is often used as an excuse.
** Kevin: Josh did come to neural hacking wednesdays, was interested in sleep hacking, etc.
** Ryan: To Tom: was josh sleeping here and using it as living space? Tom: yes
** James: he's my friend, asked him was he sleeping here? And he ended up saying yes I was sleeping here. There isnt a rule? Can you stop sleeping here?
** V: it's not true that josh doesnt have anywhere to go, i have put josh up at my apartment, he wants to help sid fixing the computers. He is a benefit of to his place. It would be a mistake to ban someone like that from noisebridge."
** dan: to address the salient point that noisebridge is a hackerspace not a hostel. If he interferes with others ability to hack here. As a procedural note and suggestion, I'm really troubled that Josh isn't here. At the meetings he was present, it wasnt clear we were going to discuss. Table this until we need to talk about it.
** Tom: I think josh is incorrigible. Sleep hacking - we arent convinced this isnt what is going on? The reason he was at 140 hours a week because he used noisebridge for the necessary activities of daily living that we would use our homes for. I think josh has been substantially informed this week that this is the decision week. We have a strong agreement on the norms of this type of behavior, and this is a very clear situation, and refuses to change despite multiple people asking him to change. Everything is procedurally correct and legit.
** Constantine: trying to understand, banning people is philosophically harsh.
** Monad: this is not a crash pad
** Constantine: Kicking out a problem isnt the same as solving it. (multiple interruptions) Homeless people have historically not been kicked out, kicking them out isnt helping them.
** Sid: This is something josh and I agree on, he's going to be gone for at least a year/6 months, he's already gone he's in NYC.
** XX: Josh felt he was harassed, and more
** constantine: "eviction does not equal solution"
** Kevin: Bad precedent to ban someone in another state.
** Tom: Yes it was discussed, someone communicated with him about the space.
** Sid: it sounds like a grudge match honestly, seems kind of petty and cowardly to attack someone who is not in the space.
** Kevin: I will stand aside, it sets a bad precedent.
** 3 standasides for the consensus
** (insert discussion about what consensus is)
** Kevin: No ban should be made on the fact that it can be undone later.
** V: Josh has a forward and blunt way of speaking, and we tried to ban each other. He saved a man's life, he was vomiting (at noisebridge), Josh called an ambulance to SF general.
** Kevin: Whats the big deal about banning 1 of 7 billion people? What kind of community do we want to grow?
** Kevin: Response to 'why not block' - because consensus is good to discuss, and i would only block if it prevented me from wanting to returning to noisebridge. I dont feel he is incorrigible and is very approachable.
** Sid: everyone i teach hardware to needs a nap. How many of you have learned hardware from me? This space keeps moving because of changes like rayc and josh. Everyone I teach you block.
** Constantine: when do you kick someone out? Is it ever a good idea to kick someone out? He's out of the state for a year, why even do it? (grey area) It looks like it, everyone's engaged
** XX: Sid said he's out of the state in a year, why not have a meeting with him present, and then discuss it then (presumably in the far future?)
** Tom: How do you think josh attending a meeting will change the situation?
** Alternate proposal: Complete the mediate process before he returns to the space (Tom: what process? with who?)
** Constantine: A good alternative resolution would be resolve he comes to a tuesday meeting. (side: he isn't coming back for a year!) Discuss later when he returns!
** Kevin: He should bring the argument about sleeping in the space.
** Tom: Enough people have discussed this, and appears unrepentant. So far he seems unrepentant.
** kevin: i would prefer not to ban him, and to mediate, and to take process of that mediation.
** Tom: I am happy to say that if josh comes back and have a discussion about his use of noisebridge as a living space, and I find myself convinced he does not will continue to use. I believe past behavior is predictive of future behavor.
** XX: Direct response: Your belief does not allow for change of people (Tom: that is correct)
** XX2: I hear a lot about living space, what is living space at noisebridge? I know people who have spent 72 hours straight awake here doing good things, leaving for 6-8 hours.
** Setient: Will anyone block?
** Kevin: I find it difficult to be put on the spot on a weekly basis.
** Setient: We need to put more vigilance into the space to prevent Josh's type of behavior. Puts the onus on people not attending and supervising at all time.
** Tom: The space should not be open at 4am. We should close the space if we cant supervise it.
** XX3: Josh prevented and ended the drug use and ended up banning some people.
** Tom: People should learn more about consensus, the reason why meetings take a long time is people misunderstanding consensus.
** James: I will block
** Consensus: Blockers: James

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion Notes =

* Extensive Discussion with Howard about membership.
** Questions included when would block items, what is hacking, what do you think about the kitchen, bike trailer, would you allow for the free expression of art, graffiti vs art, what is consensus, money, what is the anti-harassment policy about, more harassment questions.
** Consensus results: Blocked by Tom

= Attendance =
* List of names and short summary. For bonus points, link wiki user pages.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

Meeting Notes 2014 03 11

2014-03-12T05:03:08Z

Dj ryan: /* Proposals from last week */

You should read the [[meeting instructions]] forthwith!<br>
Don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 304th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE; Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE.
* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

= Short announcements and events =
* Norton Imperial Labs - competing hackerspace
* Next week is Game Developer Conference (GDC)
* Cleanup this Sunday at 12 noon

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
* Hephestus: week 4+, sponsors: Al, Setient, Will Sargent (w/o signature)
* Kate K: Week 4+, sponsors: Al
* QBit: Week 4, Sponsors: None
* Howard: Week 4, Sponsors: Madeline, Setient. (Present at meeting)

= Financial Report =

* Incoming check of $10,000 to noisetor

= Consensus items =

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

* Lee Sonko banning procedural changes
** The item was on the docket for 3 weeks/meetings, a member attended on the first 2 meetings intending to block, but wasnt able to attend the 3rd meeting, the item was consensus upon on the 3rd meeting.
** Setient moving to Discussion list

* Suspend Robin's Membership
** (no notes for the discussion as per request)
** No blockers, Setient stands aside
** Item passes

* RAYC ban for 6 months/permanent
** Tom feels strongly we should ban rayc, and not use a 6 month suspension
** "Sleeping on top of an elevator - what the hell was he thinking?"
** Tom relays that other council members feel strongly, mildly strongly that he should be banned.
** Constantine: "A lot of ambivalence - why not just 6 months, permanent ban hard to reverse? You guys clearly like." Tom: hazarderous
** Rayc: "I've been affiliated with nb for 4 years. I've been a huge contributor, I made a mistake. If you want to ban me, there is a good reason to, my action doesn't merit the punishment."
** Tom: "Rayc just demonstrated he doesnt think it's serious"
** Rayc: "He is trolling me right now, from what I thought at the time I was doing it."
** Monad: "This one event will always be part of your history."
** XX: "Has anyone else fucked up bad? There are bigger issues than napping on the elevator?"
** jayc: "This was a questionable decision at the time you made it, would you make the same decision again? (rayc: I would not make the same decision) What atonments could/would you make?"
** V: "I did not know you were on the elevator, trash night was a hardship without the elevator. On a positive note, rayc was one of the first to organize a cleanup of the electronics section.
** Setient: Will anyone consider a block? Setient would block a perma-ban. No blockers on a 6 month ban, jayc stands aside on 6 month ban
** Constantine: "People are not static, how you treat this person will affect him"
** jayc: "police told me this is a commercial/residential mixed use space"
** "It's always been unexcellent to sleep in noisebridge, sleeping on the elevator is very not excellent"
** jayc: "I would like to see it as 6 months from the incident." (RAYC: I think that's fair)
** Item passes. Rayc spends some time to gather his items. He did not leave for 15-20 minutes.

* Publish council member list in git repo
** Kevin: "Why is publishing council membership a necessary?"
** Tom: "the only person who knows is a member is me. This is ridiculous."
** Tom: "Discussion list is not a reasonable way to reach people."
** Jayc: "..."
** Tom: "There will be a date after which, the list on github is the list of all council members, and is correct, and has a reasonable contact method."
** Tom: "Jacob is not a member in good standing, and has no intent on coming to noisebridge ever again."
** jayc: "Would it prevent him from participating again?"
** Discussion tabled.

* Gregory asked to leave discussion
** Tom: He should come back now
** V: I spoke with josh before he left nyc, he didnt ask Gregory to leave
** Tom: I think we all agree he can come back (a few ayes)

* Banning Josh
** Setient: He has alledgedly been living in the space
** Tom: he has admitted to me he has chose on multiple times to "power nap" for 3-5 hours in the middle of the night, he did not have a viable alternative to go to
** XX: somehow he got caught up in drama, and considering he is in nyc and won't come back for a while. if he comes back, firmly tell him not to sleep at noisebridge.
** jayc: josh is not welcome at noisebridge until he attended a tuesday meeting.
** setient: He did attend a few meetings.
** XX: Lets not block, if he returns, lets handle it then. I would do a pull request.
** Kevin: I told him not to sleep here, he said "i will do what I want, what I am doing is not an issue."
** Constantine: why is sleeping here an issue?
** Monad: it isnt a legal issue anymore
** Constantine: what aspect is the very rigid stance against sleeping?
** jayc: historical reference - it's not about sleeping, its about living here, people who have rights and things.
** Constantine: I want to understand
** Tom: (aside) There is more than one rule
** kevin: there is a lot of history and complexity here, we need to listen to other people
** kevin: just because it rhymes doesnt mean it's true. i would have preferred a deeper dialog.
** tom: The final interlude (the rhyming) was the end of our discussion. I had a deeper dialog with him.
** tom: he did not object to my characterization of his use of the space as providing the daily necessities of survival. He spent 140 hours a week, there is 168 hours week (nb: 20 hours/day on avg). 'noisebridge is your hackerspace not your hostel.'
** Howard: he was doing sleep hacking? Tom: sleep hacking is often used as an excuse.
** Kevin: Josh did come to neural hacking wednesdays, was interested in sleep hacking, etc.
** Ryan: To Tom: was josh sleeping here and using it as living space? Tom: yes
** James: he's my friend, asked him was he sleeping here? And he ended up saying yes I was sleeping here. There isnt a rule? Can you stop sleeping here?
** V: it's not true that josh doesnt have anywhere to go, i have put josh up at my apartment, he wants to help sid fixing the computers. He is a benefit of to his place. It would be a mistake to ban someone like that from noisebridge."
** dan: to address the salient point that noisebridge is a hackerspace not a hostel. If he interferes with others ability to hack here. As a procedural note and suggestion, I'm really troubled that Josh isn't here. At the meetings he was present, it wasnt clear we were going to discuss. Table this until we need to talk about it.
** Tom: I think josh is incorrigible. Sleep hacking - we arent convinced this isnt what is going on? The reason he was at 140 hours a week because he used noisebridge for the necessary activities of daily living that we would use our homes for. I think josh has been substantially informed this week that this is the decision week. We have a strong agreement on the norms of this type of behavior, and this is a very clear situation, and refuses to change despite multiple people asking him to change. Everything is procedurally correct and legit.
** Constantine: trying to understand, banning people is philosophically harsh.
** Monad: this is not a crash pad
** Constantine: Kicking out a problem isnt the same as solving it. (multiple interruptions) Homeless people have historically not been kicked out, kicking them out isnt helping them.
** Sid: This is something josh and I agree on, he's going to be gone for at least a year/6 months, he's already gone he's in NYC.
** XX: Josh felt he was harassed, and more
** constantine: "eviction does not equal solution"
** Kevin: Bad precedent to ban someone in another state.
** Tom: Yes it was discussed, someone communicated with him about the space.
** Sid: it sounds like a grudge match honestly, seems kind of petty and cowardly to attack someone who is not in the space.
** Kevin: I will stand aside, it sets a bad precedent.
** 3 standasides for the consensus
** (insert discussion about what consensus is)
** Kevin: No ban should be made on the fact that it can be undone later.
** V: Josh has a forward and blunt way of speaking, and we tried to ban each other. He saved a man's life, he was vomiting (at noisebridge), Josh called an ambulance to SF general.
** Kevin: Whats the big deal about banning 1 of 7 billion people? What kind of community do we want to grow?
** Kevin: Response to 'why not block' - because consensus is good to discuss, and i would only block if it prevented me from wanting to returning to noisebridge. I dont feel he is incorrigible and is very approachable.
** Sid: everyone i teach hardware to needs a nap. How many of you have learned hardware from me? This space keeps moving because of changes like rayc and josh. Everyone I teach you block.
** Constantine: when do you kick someone out? Is it ever a good idea to kick someone out? He's out of the state for a year, why even do it? (grey area) It looks like it, everyone's engaged
** XX: Sid said he's out of the state in a year, why not have a meeting with him present, and then discuss it then (presumably in the far future?)
** Tom: How do you think josh attending a meeting will change the situation?
** Alternate proposal: Complete the mediate process before he returns to the space (Tom: what process? with who?)
** Constantine: A good alternative resolution would be resolve he comes to a tuesday meeting. (side: he isn't coming back for a year!) Discuss later when he returns!
** Kevin: He should bring the argument about sleeping in the space.
** Tom: Enough people have discussed this, and appears unrepentant. So far he seems unrepentant.
** kevin: i would prefer not to ban him, and to mediate, and to take process of that mediation.
** Tom: I am happy to say that if josh comes back and have a discussion about his use of noisebridge as a living space, and I find myself convinced he does not will continue to use. I believe past behavior is predictive of future behavor.
** XX: Direct response: Your belief does not allow for change of people (Tom: that is correct)
** XX2: I hear a lot about living space, what is living space at noisebridge? I know people who have spent 72 hours straight awake here doing good things, leaving for 6-8 hours.
** Setient: Will anyone block?
** Kevin: I find it difficult to be put on the spot on a weekly basis.
** Setient: We need to put more vigilance into the space to prevent Josh's type of behavior. Puts the onus on people not attending and supervising at all time.
** Tom: The space should not be open at 4am. We should close the space if we cant supervise it.
** XX3: Josh prevented and ended the drug use and ended up banning some people.
** Tom: People should learn more about consensus, the reason why meetings take a long time is people misunderstanding consensus.
** James: I will block
** Consensus: Blockers: James

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion Notes =

* Extensive Discussion with Howard about membership.
** Questions included when would block items, what is hacking, what do you think about the kitchen, bike trailer, would you allow for the free expression of art, graffiti vs art, what is consensus, money, what is the anti-harassment policy about, more harassment questions.
** Consensus results: Blocked by Tom

= Attendance =
* List of names and short summary. For bonus points, link wiki user pages.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

Meeting Notes 2014 03 11

2014-03-12T04:59:20Z

Dj ryan: notes

You should read the [[meeting instructions]] forthwith!<br>
Don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 304th Meeting of Noisebridge]. Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE; Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE.
* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''

= Short announcements and events =
* Norton Imperial Labs - competing hackerspace
* Next week is Game Developer Conference (GDC)
* Cleanup this Sunday at 12 noon

= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
* Hephestus: week 4+, sponsors: Al, Setient, Will Sargent (w/o signature)
* Kate K: Week 4+, sponsors: Al
* QBit: Week 4, Sponsors: None
* Howard: Week 4, Sponsors: Madeline, Setient. (Present at meeting)

= Financial Report =

* Incoming check of $10,000 to noisetor

= Consensus items =

== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
''(Add any items which pass or are blocked to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''

* Lee Sonko banning procedural changes
** The item was on the docket for 3 weeks/meetings, a member attended on the first 2 meetings intending to block, but wasnt able to attend the 3rd meeting, the item was consensus upon on the 3rd meeting.
** Setient moving to Discussion list

* Suspend Robin's Membership
** (no notes for the discussion as per request)
** No blockers, Setient stands aside
** Item passes

* RAYC ban for 6 months/permanent
** Tom feels strongly we should ban rayc, and not use a 6 month suspension
** "Sleeping on top of an elevator - what the hell was he thinking?"
** Tom relays that other council members feel strongly, mildly strongly that he should be banned.
** Constantine: "A lot of ambivalence - why not just 6 months, permanent ban hard to reverse? You guys clearly like." Tom: hazarderous
** Rayc: "I've been affiliated with nb for 4 years. I've been a huge contributor, I made a mistake. If you want to ban me, there is a good reason to, my action doesn't merit the punishment."
** Tom: "Rayc just demonstrated he doesnt think it's serious"
** Rayc: "He is trolling me right now, from what I thought at the time I was doing it."
** Monad: "This one event will always be part of your history."
** XX: "Has anyone else fucked up bad? There are bigger issues than napping on the elevator?"
** jayc: "This was a questionable decision at the time you made it, would you make the same decision again? (rayc: I would not make the same decision) What atonments could/would you make?"
** V: "I did not know you were on the elevator, trash night was a hardship without the elevator. On a positive note, rayc was one of the first to organize a cleanup of the electronics section.
** Setient: Will anyone consider a block? Setient would block a perma-ban. No blockers on a 6 month ban, jayc stands aside on 6 month ban
** Constantine: "People are not static, how you treat this person will affect him"
** jayc: "police told me this is a commercial/residential mixed use space"
** "It's always been unexcellent to sleep in noisebridge, sleeping on the elevator is very not excellent"
** jayc: "I would like to see it as 6 months from the incident." (RAYC: I think that's fair)
** Item passes. Rayc spends some time to gather his items. He did not leave for 15-20 minutes.

* Publish council member list in git repo
** Kevin: "Why is publishing council membership a necessary?"
** Tom: "the only person who knows is a member is me. This is ridiculous."
** Tom: "Discussion list is not a reasonable way to reach people."
** Jayc: "..."
** Tom: "There will be a date after which, the list on github is the list of all council members, and is correct, and has a reasonable contact method."
** Tom: "Jacob is not a member in good standing, and has no intent on coming to noisebridge ever again."
** jayc: "Would it prevent him from participating again?"
** Discussion tabled.

* Gregory asked to leave discussion
** Tom: He should come back now
** V: I spoke with josh before he left nyc, he didnt ask Gregory to leave
** Tom: I think we all agree he can come back (a few ayes)

* Banning Josh
** Setient: He has alledgedly been living in the space
** Tom: he has admitted to me he has chose on multiple times to "power nap" for 3-5 hours in the middle of the night, he did not have a viable alternative to go to
** XX: somehow he got caught up in drama, and considering he is in nyc and won't come back for a while. if he comes back, firmly tell him not to sleep at noisebridge.
** jayc: josh is not welcome at noisebridge until he attended a tuesday meeting.
** setient: He did attend a few meetings.
** XX: Lets not block, if he returns, lets handle it then. I would do a pull request.
** Kevin: I told him not to sleep here, he said "i will do what I want, what I am doing is not an issue."
** Constantine: why is sleeping here an issue?
** Monad: it isnt a legal issue anymore
** Constantine: what aspect is the very rigid stance against sleeping?
** jayc: historical reference - it's not about sleeping, its about living here, people who have rights and things.
** Constantine: I want to understand
** Tom: (aside) There is more than one rule
** kevin: there is a lot of history and complexity here, we need to listen to other people
** kevin: just because it rhymes doesnt mean it's true. i would have preferred a deeper dialog.
** tom: The final interlude (the rhyming) was the end of our discussion. I had a deeper dialog with him.
** tom: he did not object to my characterization of his use of the space as providing the daily necessities of survival. He spent 140 hours a week, there is 168 hours week (nb: 20 hours/day on avg). 'noisebridge is your hackerspace not your hostel.'
** Howard: he was doing sleep hacking? Tom: sleep hacking is often used as an excuse.
** Kevin: Josh did come to neural hacking wednesdays, was interested in sleep hacking, etc.
** Ryan: To Tom: was josh sleeping here and using it as living space? Tom: yes
** James: he's my friend, asked him was he sleeping here? And he ended up saying yes I was sleeping here. There isnt a rule? Can you stop sleeping here?
** V: it's not true that josh doesnt have anywhere to go, i have put josh up at my apartment, he wants to help sid fixing the computers. He is a benefit of to his place. It would be a mistake to ban someone like that from noisebridge."
** dan: to address the salient point that noisebridge is a hackerspace not a hostel. If he interferes with others ability to hack here. As a procedural note and suggestion, I'm really troubled that Josh isn't here. At the meetings he was present, it wasnt clear we were going to discuss. Table this until we need to talk about it.
** Tom: I think josh is incorrigible. Sleep hacking - we arent convinced this isnt what is going on? The reason he was at 140 hours a week because he used noisebridge for the necessary activities of daily living that we would use our homes for. I think josh has been substantially informed this week that this is the decision week. We have a strong agreement on the norms of this type of behavior, and this is a very clear situation, and refuses to change despite multiple people asking him to change. Everything is procedurally correct and legit.
** Constantine: trying to understand, banning people is philosophically harsh.
** Monad: this is not a crash pad
** Constantine: Kicking out a problem isnt the same as solving it. (multiple interruptions) Homeless people have historically not been kicked out, kicking them out isnt helping them.
** Sid: This is something josh and I agree on, he's going to be gone for at least a year/6 months, he's already gone he's in NYC.
** XX: Josh felt he was harassed, and more
** constantine: "eviction does not equal solution"
** Kevin: Bad precedent to ban someone in another state.
** Tom: Yes it was discussed, someone communicated with him about the space.
** Sid: it sounds like a grudge match honestly, seems kind of petty and cowardly to attack someone who is not in the space.
** Kevin: I will stand aside, it sets a bad precedent.
** 3 standasides for the consensus
** (insert discussion about what consensus is)
** Kevin: No ban should be made on the fact that it can be undone later.
** V: Josh has a forward and blunt way of speaking, and we tried to ban each other. He saved a man's life, he was vomiting (at noisebridge), Josh called an ambulance to SF general.
** Kevin: Whats the big deal about banning 1 of 7 billion people? What kind of community do we want to grow?
** Kevin: Response to 'why not block' - because consensus is good to discuss, and i would only block if it prevented me from wanting to returning to noisebridge. I dont feel he is incorrigible and is very approachable.
** Sid: everyone i teach hardware to needs a nap. How many of you have learned hardware from me? This space keeps moving because of changes like rayc and josh. Everyone I teach you block.
** Constantine: when do you kick someone out? Is it ever a good idea to kick someone out? He's out of the state for a year, why even do it? (grey area) It looks like it, everyone's engaged
** XX: Sid said he's out of the state in a year, why not have a meeting with him present, and then discuss it then (presumably in the far future?)
** Tom: How do you think josh attending a meeting will change the situation?
** Alternate proposal: Complete the mediate process before he returns to the space (Tom: what process? with who?)
** Constantine: A good alternative resolution would be resolve he comes to a tuesday meeting. (side: he isn't coming back for a year!) Discuss later when he returns!
** Kevin: He should bring the argument about sleeping in the space.
** Tom: Enough people have discussed this, and appears unrepentant. So far he seems unrepentant.
** kevin: i would prefer not to ban him, and to mediate, and to take process of that mediation.
** Tom: I am happy to say that if josh comes back and have a discussion about his use of noisebridge as a living space, and I find myself convinced he does not will continue to use. I believe past behavior is predictive of future behavor.
** XX: Direct response: Your belief does not allow for change of people (Tom: that is correct)
** XX2: I hear a lot about living space, what is living space at noisebridge? I know people who have spent 72 hours straight awake here doing good things, leaving for 6-8 hours.
** Setient: Will anyone block?
** Kevin: I find it difficult to be put on the spot on a weekly basis.
** Setient: We need to put more vigilance into the space to prevent Josh's type of behavior. Puts the onus on people not attending and supervising at all time.
** Tom: The space should not be open at 4am. We should close the space if we cant supervise it.
** XX3: Josh prevented and ended the drug use and ended up banning some people.
** Tom: People should learn more about consensus, the reason why meetings take a long time is people misunderstanding consensus.
** James: I will block
** Consensus: Blockers: James

* Rayc permanent ban discussion
**

* House Rules by Tom
** Highlights: Telling people to leave, basement, roof, out of bounds
**

== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''

= Discussion Notes =

* Extensive Discussion with Howard about membership.
** Questions included when would block items, what is hacking, what do you think about the kitchen, bike trailer, would you allow for the free expression of art, graffiti vs art, what is consensus, money, what is the anti-harassment policy about, more harassment questions.
** Consensus results: Blocked by Tom

= Attendance =
* List of names and short summary. For bonus points, link wiki user pages.

[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Now that the meeting is over, don't forget to '''post the meeting notes to the wiki''' and e-mail the discussion list with a short summary.

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User talk:Hurtstotouchfire

2012-02-21T20:14:11Z

Dj ryan:

AKA Kelly, Noisebridge's current Treasurer.

I make a lot of anonymous edits, but I try to log in for important-seeming ones. Here's [[Special:Contributions/Hurtstotouchfire | my contributions]].

Feel free to comment or question here but you're probably better off emailing me at hurtstotouchfire (gmail) for hacking and stuff, or treasurer@noisebridge.net for money stuff.

==Notes from talk with Brian==
*paypal is a credit card or a bank account, wepay accepts both, what's the difference?
*wepay accepts money from credit and bank accounts
*wepay allows for separate accounts for tracking income streams
*allows for widgety buttons on websites, etc

==Notes on Oogles talk==
*people should want to be a part of the community
**evidenced by mailing list, tues meeting, some form of official communication
*what are unacceptable ways to enforce noisebridge's purpose

----
im out of town, I wont be able to make it to tonight's meeting. I have put my inprogress up on github: https://github.com/ryanobjc/noisegatepad my email is that username at gmail. [[User:Dj ryan|Dj ryan]]

User talk:Hurtstotouchfire

2012-02-21T20:11:50Z

Dj ryan:

AKA Kelly, Noisebridge's current Treasurer.

I make a lot of anonymous edits, but I try to log in for important-seeming ones. Here's [[Special:Contributions/Hurtstotouchfire | my contributions]].

Feel free to comment or question here but you're probably better off emailing me at hurtstotouchfire (gmail) for hacking and stuff, or treasurer@noisebridge.net for money stuff.

==Notes from talk with Brian==
*paypal is a credit card or a bank account, wepay accepts both, what's the difference?
*wepay accepts money from credit and bank accounts
*wepay allows for separate accounts for tracking income streams
*allows for widgety buttons on websites, etc

==Notes on Oogles talk==
*people should want to be a part of the community
**evidenced by mailing list, tues meeting, some form of official communication
*what are unacceptable ways to enforce noisebridge's purpose

im out of town, I wont be able to make it to tonight's meeting. I have put my inprogress up on github: https://github.com/ryanobjc/noisegatepad my email is that username at gmail.

Keycode Access

2012-02-17T04:36:07Z

Dj ryan: /* Team */

==Contact & Info==
Feel free to add yourself here if you plan to work on the project. There will be some email-based discussion and record keeping for this project, and that info will be added here if you just want to lurk and complain.

===Team===
*[https://twitter.com/DBAHULK Hurtstotouchfire]
*[https://twitter.com/DRUNKHULK Tom]
*[https://twitter.com/Real_Hulk Jake]
*[https://twitter.com/securityhulk SuperQ]
*[https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK Terry]
*[https://twitter.com/feministhulk FEMINIST HULK]
*[https://twitter.com/ryanobjc ryan] (software)

==Keycode System Features==
*Numberpad on front door
*Database of codes... on pony? With notes? Probably we need a basic schema for what info we do and don't want to log.
**Tom wants it to be a text file with a pin or rfid code per line and comments delimited by hash marks
*Logging keycodes (necessary to be able to shut off problem codes)
**keycodes not formally associated with individuals
**member keycodes differentiable in some way
**keep logs for 7 days
**require 2 users to access logs (cryptographically)
*Keycode Generation
*Distribution
**how to distribute without leaving electronic records associating code with individual?
**the most paranoid users will not trust the system anyway
*Disabling keycodes
**presumably not a feature needed immediately.

==Hardware==
There are 3 components to a doorlock system:

# A code entry box (physical hardware)
# Security controller (computer) (we already have minotaur which controls the doorlatch)
# Electronic doorlatch (i.e. buzzer [may be silent])

Commercial door control systems usually have a central controller which is physically located inside the building and cannot be accessed from the entry box. The code entry box is connected to the controller via hard wires (usually serial). The controller can activate the doorlatch via the existing [[Getting In | Noisegate]] relay.

===Potential Products===
*Jake has volunteered to design and make serially-accessed codepads, one for the gate and one for inside.
*[https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028485.html The fucking doorkeypad is finished]

*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=8 HID prox reader] - Supports RS422 and Wiegand
*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=347 HID keypad with 125KHz (prox) + 13.56MHz (iClass)] - Only supports Wiegand

*Will may need a Wiegand interface:
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiegand_interface
** Cost is about $100-150

*Talked to [http://www.sanfordpc.com/ Terry] tonight who says he has a friend who has a bunch of access system gear that we could get donated. linuxman2001@gmail -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]

===Implementation Considerations===
*Should we buy or build the controller?
*Shannon wants to replace the current keypad system with something fancy
*Jake thinks we should just add the keypad onto the gate with U-bolts
**we would need to talk to the landlord to do this (unless we can do it without drilling?)
**at present, we plan to just add an additional keypad and only replace the button system if the keypad is successful

Keycode Access

2012-02-17T04:35:43Z

Dj ryan: /* Team */

==Contact & Info==
Feel free to add yourself here if you plan to work on the project. There will be some email-based discussion and record keeping for this project, and that info will be added here if you just want to lurk and complain.

===Team===
*[https://twitter.com/DBAHULK Hurtstotouchfire]
*[https://twitter.com/DRUNKHULK Tom]
*[https://twitter.com/Real_Hulk Jake]
*[https://twitter.com/securityhulk SuperQ]
*[https://twitter.com/FilmCritHULK Terry]
*[https://twitter.com/feministhulk FEMINIST HULK]
*[https://twitter.com/ryanobjc ryan]

==Keycode System Features==
*Numberpad on front door
*Database of codes... on pony? With notes? Probably we need a basic schema for what info we do and don't want to log.
**Tom wants it to be a text file with a pin or rfid code per line and comments delimited by hash marks
*Logging keycodes (necessary to be able to shut off problem codes)
**keycodes not formally associated with individuals
**member keycodes differentiable in some way
**keep logs for 7 days
**require 2 users to access logs (cryptographically)
*Keycode Generation
*Distribution
**how to distribute without leaving electronic records associating code with individual?
**the most paranoid users will not trust the system anyway
*Disabling keycodes
**presumably not a feature needed immediately.

==Hardware==
There are 3 components to a doorlock system:

# A code entry box (physical hardware)
# Security controller (computer) (we already have minotaur which controls the doorlatch)
# Electronic doorlatch (i.e. buzzer [may be silent])

Commercial door control systems usually have a central controller which is physically located inside the building and cannot be accessed from the entry box. The code entry box is connected to the controller via hard wires (usually serial). The controller can activate the doorlatch via the existing [[Getting In | Noisegate]] relay.

===Potential Products===
*Jake has volunteered to design and make serially-accessed codepads, one for the gate and one for inside.
*[https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-February/028485.html The fucking doorkeypad is finished]

*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=8 HID prox reader] - Supports RS422 and Wiegand
*[http://www.hidglobal.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=347 HID keypad with 125KHz (prox) + 13.56MHz (iClass)] - Only supports Wiegand

*Will may need a Wiegand interface:
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiegand_interface
** Cost is about $100-150

*Talked to [http://www.sanfordpc.com/ Terry] tonight who says he has a friend who has a bunch of access system gear that we could get donated. linuxman2001@gmail -- [[User:Hurtstotouchfire]]

===Implementation Considerations===
*Should we buy or build the controller?
*Shannon wants to replace the current keypad system with something fancy
*Jake thinks we should just add the keypad onto the gate with U-bolts
**we would need to talk to the landlord to do this (unless we can do it without drilling?)
**at present, we plan to just add an additional keypad and only replace the button system if the keypad is successful

Dwarf Fortress

2010-09-30T07:46:26Z

Dj ryan: /* 3rd Party Plugins/Tools */

'''Welcome to the Noisebridge [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ Dwarf Fortress] Page!'''

Dwarf Fortress is an amazingly complex yet low-fi real-time strategy game, with dwarves!

This page is for those people interested in learning how to play and/or those who are already experienced who wish to share tips and what not. Feel free to make use of the discussion tab above as well.

= Events =

* We recently held an informal "Beginning Dwarf Fortress" class on 2010-09-29.

= Enthusiasts =

* [[User:LeMonkey|LeMonkey]]
* [[User:Dj_ryan|Ryan]]

= Links =

== Portals ==
* [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ The official Dwarf Fortress site]
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php The Dwarf Fortress wiki]

== Tutorials ==

Many [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tutorials tutorials] are already listed under the [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress wiki]. Some of these are included below.

Highly recommended is the [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Bentgirder "bentgirder" tutorial]

=== Web ===
* [http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/ Complete and Utter Newby Tutorial]

=== Video ===
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Video_tutorials captnduck's series of execellent beginner tutorial videos]

== 3rd Party Plugins/Tools ==
* [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0 The Dwarf Fortress Lazy Newb Pack]
** Note that v5.0 has many disabled utilities, if you want the full utility experience highly consider getting v4.6!
* [http://code.google.com/p/stonesense/ Stonesense live 3D map viewer]
** Note: this is just a VIEWER and doesnt actually make the game 3D. It has a lag as well, so it's long term usefulness is limited in terms of playing the game. But it's very impressive to show your friends.

= Tips =
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Using_bins_and_barrels Using bins and barrels]

Dwarf Fortress

2010-09-30T07:45:16Z

Dj ryan: /* Tutorials */

'''Welcome to the Noisebridge [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ Dwarf Fortress] Page!'''

Dwarf Fortress is an amazingly complex yet low-fi real-time strategy game, with dwarves!

This page is for those people interested in learning how to play and/or those who are already experienced who wish to share tips and what not. Feel free to make use of the discussion tab above as well.

= Events =

* We recently held an informal "Beginning Dwarf Fortress" class on 2010-09-29.

= Enthusiasts =

* [[User:LeMonkey|LeMonkey]]
* [[User:Dj_ryan|Ryan]]

= Links =

== Portals ==
* [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ The official Dwarf Fortress site]
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php The Dwarf Fortress wiki]

== Tutorials ==

Many [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tutorials tutorials] are already listed under the [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress wiki]. Some of these are included below.

Highly recommended is the [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Bentgirder "bentgirder" tutorial]

=== Web ===
* [http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/ Complete and Utter Newby Tutorial]

=== Video ===
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Video_tutorials captnduck's series of execellent beginner tutorial videos]

== 3rd Party Plugins/Tools ==
* [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0 The Dwarf Fortress Lazy Newb Pack]
* [http://code.google.com/p/stonesense/ Stonesense live 3D map viewer]

= Tips =
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Using_bins_and_barrels Using bins and barrels]

Dwarf Fortress

2010-09-30T07:44:29Z

Dj ryan: /* Enthusiasts */

'''Welcome to the Noisebridge [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ Dwarf Fortress] Page!'''

Dwarf Fortress is an amazingly complex yet low-fi real-time strategy game, with dwarves!

This page is for those people interested in learning how to play and/or those who are already experienced who wish to share tips and what not. Feel free to make use of the discussion tab above as well.

= Events =

* We recently held an informal "Beginning Dwarf Fortress" class on 2010-09-29.

= Enthusiasts =

* [[User:LeMonkey|LeMonkey]]
* [[User:Dj_ryan|Ryan]]

= Links =

== Portals ==
* [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ The official Dwarf Fortress site]
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php The Dwarf Fortress wiki]

== Tutorials ==

Many [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tutorials tutorials] are already listed under the [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress wiki]. Some of these are included below.

=== Web ===
* [http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/ Complete and Utter Newby Tutorial]

=== Video ===
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Video_tutorials captnduck's series of execellent beginner tutorial videos]

== 3rd Party Plugins/Tools ==
* [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0 The Dwarf Fortress Lazy Newb Pack]
* [http://code.google.com/p/stonesense/ Stonesense live 3D map viewer]

= Tips =
* [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Using_bins_and_barrels Using bins and barrels]

User:Dj ryan

2010-09-19T07:34:37Z

Dj ryan:

dj_ryan on irc

HBase committer, Java-systems programmer (heh) and very slightly part time blacksmith. I'm good with programming and not too bad at solidering as well.

Not quite avid, but reasonably not terrible photographer.

User:Dj ryan

2010-09-19T07:01:42Z

Dj ryan: Created page with 'dj_ryan on irc HBase committer, Java-systems programmer (heh) and very slightly part time blacksmith. I'm good with programming and not too bad at solidering as well.'

dj_ryan on irc

HBase committer, Java-systems programmer (heh) and very slightly part time blacksmith. I'm good with programming and not too bad at solidering as well.

Distributed Databases

2010-09-19T07:00:08Z

Dj ryan:

== Distributed Databases ==

Taught by Jonathan Moore

Who wants a class on distributed databases. I gave a impromptu to lecture about them a few weeks ago and it went well. People who where not there seemed to want me to do it again. So I have questions, what format do people want? One long lecture ( the last one was like three hours and there was more that could have been covered ) or a few. Do people want just a state of the art lecture or do they want specific reviews of Dynamo, BigTable, GFS, ect.

As for days times I can do any Monday night and every other Friday night and every other Saturday or Sunday.

Pleas give input if this interests you.

Josh Berkus: I'd be interested in this.

Ryan: I'm a committer on hbase and I'd be interested in teaching people about how this stuff works, how implementation works, and all sorts of details